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Bill Armstrong returns to St. Louis training ground, hoping to repeat past success

Craig Morgan
Craig Morgan
November 16, 2021
Bill Armstrong returns to St. Louis training ground, hoping to repeat past success

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Robert

Robert

November 16, 2021

Very good article Craig. Well done!
I wonder if a 4 year rebuild can be survivable.
I was shocked at the weak fan base when I first got here and was new to the professional spectator sports and that shock turned to anger and finally resignation.
Recently, there was a Twitter is Ted of an ASU team decked out in Minnesota gear with the headline “ Sun Devil athletes at Gila River Arena supporting their team! Or something like that… granted one member of that team had a father who is in the Minnesota organization…. still
The disrespect is so brazen now.
Our fan base is so tenuous that the chemotherapy of a total rebuild may be too strong for the patient.
Strong therapy can only be applied to a strong patient, one whose foundation at least has some core strength….in my opinion.
I’ll admit, I’ve sold all my tickets so far and won’t go until my athletic competition season is over ( thanksgiving) .. I’ll be in my seat after that.
But this team is still special to me, I’ll give my season ticket another go next year… but 4 years?
Can the “ patient” survive that strenuous of a treatment?

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mlkinkor

mlkinkor

November 16, 2021

2 notes: 1….I think after year 2, there will start to be some light shining…not alot of light, but light none-the-less…and ticket sales folks live off that hope. From there, I figure that hope will continue to grow as more players from the picks start showing up.
2…The coyotes have always survived on away team fans…this new ownership group seems focused on marketing to a base that just hasn’t really been tapped. I think if they can do it right, they can grow a brand new fan base and bring it along with all the new players they bring in. Hopefully this doesn’t mean they torch all the current fan base…but there seems to be a plan to avoid “killing the patient”.

As an aside: time heals all wounds….I remember not too long ago your words made it seem like you were determined to get rid of your season tickets, yet here you are…that conviction to get rid of your tickets waivering….imagine what happens next draft if the Coyotes have the first overall pick and the Coyotes get to show off Wright-lights…Imagine if they get to show off a Wright/Guenther/(Doan?) line? And the coyotes start to give you that little beacon of hope and belief. To quote Rogue One: “Rebellions are built on hope.”

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Robert

Robert

November 16, 2021

Great points. I hope the franchise is considering the strength and morale of the foundation, which is their fan base when considering the extent of the rebuilding treatment.
By that, I don’t mean cutting prices or special perks or anything of that nature.
I’m just talking about reaching out and communicating, reassuring and acknowledging we are here and they want us around for the long term
An aside, you know what else is keeping me away from the arena?
I have t even had a sore throat in two years. Covid. Masking, social distancing.
In the 8 years I didn’t miss a game, I caught the flu at least twice a year…
Crowded arena, standing in line, sitting down on wet toilet seats thanks to inconsiderate drunks ha
No flu, no sniffles, 2000 miles of uninterrupted training a year, races planned out…
I’m going back to the arena after the next race expecting sore throats, stomach viruses and misery…. and really worth it.

mlkinkor Replying to mlkinkor

November 16, 2021

Truth. Winning will always sell.

Robert Replying to Robert

November 16, 2021

I think that answer will come on an individual basis, but my experience with fans tells me that they are incredibly resilient. If the Coyotes build a winner, the fans will be there, and those that may have left will come back.

John18

John18

November 16, 2021

This was a really good article.

(As an aside in my fantasy league, yesterday I traded Kuemper, a 9th and a 10th yesterday for Grubauer, a 1st and a 2nd. I went full BA.)

John18 Replying to John18

November 17, 2021

Ha! Thanks.

Trent in Gilbert

Trent in Gilbert

November 16, 2021

Helluva great feature, Craig. Really good stuff.

I do worry very much about what this amount of losing and by these types of margins will do to Chychrun, Keller, Hayton, Crouse and even Tourigny.

I understand why BA did what he did and I support the reasons for it. But he went too far. They needed to be the worst team this season, not the worst team in salary cap era. There’s really a big difference. And it’s an important difference.

Playing tough hockey and keeping games close and ending up with 55 points is something a group can take positives from and grow from. Getting the doors blown off every game, and limping into the draft lottery with 25 points may cause irreversible damage.

If you lose that much then Tourigny gets tuned out, Chychrun demands a trade, Keller and Crouse lose their newfound spirit and energy they brought this season and fall back into old, bad habits. The whole organization is steeped in miserable and humiliating failure on a scale that’s just too much to bear.

And it doesn’t even improve the lottery odds any more than they would’ve been as plucky underdogs with 55 points. It’s still the same 25.7% chance of either winning or simply retaining the 1st pick.

Can you escape the OEL contract while simultaneously maximizing returns on Garland, Kuemper and Dvorak without making the team awful? No. Of course not. You have to make those trades. They’re the foundation of the rebuild.

But I maintain that you can recover a little better from those deals than they did. And I’m not taking about getting 85pts. I’m talking 55pts. Avoiding absolute catastrophe.

To me, that’s worth sacrificing a 2nd round pick for a decent goalie like Vladar or Vanecek (both went for 3rds) after the expansion draft. That’s worth overpaying a guy like Bunting. Doubling the Toronto offer if you have to. That’s worth doubling the cash on older UFA guys like John Merrill or Ryan Murray and Tyler Bozak or Riley Sheahan. Solid vets who can shore things up and stop the bleeding.

I was shocked when I found out they were actually going to consider icing some of the cap dumps on the actual roster. I thought for sure Eriksson, Ladd, Beagle, etc would just be waived and sent to Tucson. That they’d terminate their own contracts and retire or go to Europe.

I was very happy with the trades this summer. I was very disappointed they weren’t followed up by at least some minor deals to at least keep things somewhat credible. Very surprised they allowed the roster to be this bad. Tanking was smart. It was the right thing. But this is just way, way, way too far.

Trent in Gilbert Replying to Trent in Gilbert

November 17, 2021

I have heard this analysis a lot. Time will tell, but it is absolutely something to monitor.

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azbhodge

azbhodge

November 17, 2021

Pretty much agreeing with the thrust of your comments. I am / was a GMBA fan due to his work at his prior job. But it seems to me that he overdid the Tankathon. I see no reason to trade Dvorak, how many picks are enough? Wasn’t Dvorak of the age that the team could build around moving forward and a competent center? Signing Jaskin? with so many current NHL players needing jobs why go after a guy who failed badly in his previous NHL time? He had done little to change my mind before his injury. Playing a hot mess like Louie E, destroying the confidence of the young guys left to build around, jeez I could go on. But no need to dwell more on it, its hard to watch them, let alone talk about them, even with the once every so often victories.

Don’t need to add much more, I am in the camp that he went too far. Only time will tell how the scouts evaluate the upcoming drafts and the team can move out of the endless cycles of rebuilds.

Allan Clark

Allan Clark

November 16, 2021

This is the only way to do it right. No pun intended. The fan base isn’t real strong now (although the Coyotes are outdrawing 4 or 5 teams at this point, including the Panthers) and it is likely to change when the (hopefully) new arena opens. Could be a lot of excitement for this franchise in 3-5 years.

Allan Clark Replying to Allan Clark

November 17, 2021

The arena is clearly a critical piece in any conversation.

BABA 44

BABA 44

November 17, 2021

As a season ticket member, I applaud GMBA. Finally we have a chance to build a culture and a winner. Doesn’t seem like the rebuild bothers Ghost or Crouse or Fischer. These guys just play. Shocked at how bad Chychrun has been this season. He’s a true talent, but so was OEL. How did that turn out? Looking forward to Gally, Hayton and Kessel line. Keller Boyd and Fischer, Crouse, Jenik, Fasching, and then the dumpsters: Eriksson, Beagle and Roussel. O’Brien needs to dress against tough teams. Ladd should be back soon. After 20 games reassess the players. Say goodbye to Loui, trade Kessel. Keep moving forward. All in!

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